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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby zx9rmal on Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:22 pm

I'm HOPING this is just an isolated anomoly, but my bike stalled on my Sunday ride! Just like before. Same scenario. This is after the software download. It happened only once, BUT on a few ocassions the idle dropped very low and the engine almost stalled. It was much chillier than normal that day, but that should not matter. I'll keep you all posted on how this plays out. I'm optimistic, but a bit pissed to have a stall again. If it continues I'll have the dealer take a look, but I'm told you can't reload the software if it's been downloaded. I wonder if they can reset the computer then download it again.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby 1bmwfan on Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:06 pm

Keep us posted.

Yes, it can be downloaded again. The downfall to this is that it will absorb one more download use against your limited overall number on your ECU.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby zx9rmal on Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:20 pm

Happened AGAIN today. Only once, BUT came close several times, when the rpm's dropped quickly and the electronics "just" caught the motor before stalling. I'm gonna see if the dealer can reset the ECU and then reload the 14.2. I'm a bit hesitant because the bike is running unusually strong since the download, and I'd hate to somehow lose this new-found oomph. Needless to say, I'm NOT happy.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby kerch57 on Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:23 pm

Its just sad that this machines that run so good at half to full throttle run so bad at idle and coming off throttle. why why why no other brand of in line fours that i know of have this issue. COME ON BMW lets get this fixed.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby 1bmwfan on Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:43 pm

kerch57 wrote:Its just sad that this machines that run so good at half to full throttle run so bad at idle and coming off throttle. why why why no other brand of in line fours that i know of have this issue. COME ON BMW lets get this fixed.


Uhh, it is!
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby zx9rmal on Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:10 pm

1bmwfan wrote:
kerch57 wrote:Its just sad that this machines that run so good at half to full throttle run so bad at idle and coming off throttle. why why why no other brand of in line fours that i know of have this issue. COME ON BMW lets get this fixed.


Uhh, it is!


Uhh, not 100% on mine........even after the download. Wish I could say otherwise. If only this bike "fueled" like my Honda!?!
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby 1bmwfan on Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:43 pm

That's a bummer! Just did another 150 miles today and the grin has never been bigger. Flawless!
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby Videoguy on Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:58 pm

Just a quick guess, but Kerch, did you ever get the throttle body cleaning done, or use any of the Techron or BMW fuel additive? Just curious because before the TB cleaning my K1300S stalled almost more than it didn't. After the TB cleaning it ran great, then I got the Update to 14.2 done, and so far still no stalls. It might be possible that you have a large amount of deposits on your TBs from pre- software update, and the update is not compensating enough. Just throwing that out there. I don't doubt you are having any problems, just wondering why it seems no one else post-update is so far, and you are. Must be something different affecting your bike, or something more cumulative that isn't addressed by the update. Anyway I hope the dealer can get it sorted out for you! Just an aside, another rider form a different group now has over 5000 miles on his post update and hasn't had any stalling, and his bike was almost as bad as mine.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby kerch57 on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:38 am

Videoguy I dont have a 1300 mines a 1200 and it doesnt stall anymore just bucks and has a flat spot between 2500to3500 rpms. I was responding to zx9rmal's post at top of this page. His has had the cleaning and the update and it still stalls. Heck other then the bucking which I've learned to drive around these are the best thing since sliced bread. And He and myself live in south florida where we ride year round so not sure how many miles you guys up north have gotten to put on your rides since the cleaning and update but im pretty sure more miles are being done down here. Which would be a better gauge of how the fix is working in my opinion. Like when this was pre 1300's and they kept coming up with diff fixes that worked for 2 or 3 hundred miles only to return. Trust me I am not out to bad mouth these bikes because I love them. Just don't want to see them have these issues withwhat they cost. Stay safe all and have a nice day come to florida and ride where its warm.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby Videoguy on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:42 pm

Big oops there, got the wrong guy. Not to say anything bad, I love this bike too, just hope it doesn't let me down again. Wish I could live somewhere warm and relatively dry, but not to be for now. Like I said though, I'm in close contact with someone else on another group that now has over 5000 miles post fix without a hiccup. Hope his story is the norm, not an exception. So just how many miles do you have post fix zx9rmal? Just curious, since I only managed about 500 before the weather hit. :cry:
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby zx9rmal on Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:43 pm

Im guessing I have about 700 miles post update. I did NOT have the t-body cleaning done because I don't believe it's a fix and I don't want anyone ripping all that stuff apart. I still maintain that any good results from the cleaning are due to the ECU reset that was done along with the cleaning. I rode about 300 miles yesterday, and all was good, so who knows. As long as it's "mostly" fixed. I'll "ride around" the problem, because the bike is running so strong after the download. Has anyone else who has done the update noticed that the bike runs stronger under heavy throttle? The difference with mine is very noticeable. Of course, it could also be the cooler weather down here recently, but it seems like it's more than that.

If it stays like this, I'm happy.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby kerch57 on Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:24 am

Good to hear Mal and colder air does give engines a boost. As long as it's not below zero like the guy's up north. :wink:
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby zx9rmal on Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:14 pm

kerch57 wrote:Good to hear Mal and colder air does give engines a boost. As long as it's not below zero like the guy's up north. :wink:


I'm with you man. We may not have the twistiest roads (we do have some), but we ride ALL YEAR ROUND.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby Roja on Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:31 am

How would I be able to tell what version was flashed in? (without going back to the dealer)
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby kerch57 on Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:01 pm

Call a physicich not sure if spelled right. Just kidding but pretty sure only way is with BMW software.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby Videoguy on Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:54 am

zx9rmal, the reason I asked if you had the TBs cleaned was because when they did mine there was a TON of crud in there. Very easy to see how it would mess up any kind of idle circuit, or slow speed fueling. I agree that the post cleaning SW update may have had something to do with the bike running better, but that wasn't the 14.2 update, that was done almost a month later. In between there weren't ANY stalls, or even close calls. Just throwing that out there as the 14.2 update was supposed to COMPENSATE for the buildup.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby lovidio on Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:04 am

I know what is the solution to the problem but can not confirm until 04/01/2010 , sorry...

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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby lovidio on Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:27 am

solution is here (in spanish sorry) :

http://www.bmwmotos.com/cgi-bin/yabb2.4/YaBB.pl?num=1258368585

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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby Bernardo on Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:52 pm

I have translated the most important parts, hope you guy understand.

WHY FAILURE OCCURS
...The failure is caused by the tubes that connect the regulator with the cylinder idling ....
...through time, the tubes are soft and because vacuum suction generated by the cylinder (at low RPM), tend to close the inside walls due to the effect of negative pressure....

MODELS AFFECTED
In principle, all models K1200S/R/GT and K1300S/R/GT since the beginning of their manufacture to date.

WHAT WE DO TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM
OPTION 1-replace the original tubes for other BMW and a price of about € 45 + VAT
OPTION 2-Own pipe for high pressure industrial supply store for about € 5 and replace it ourselves.
K1300R Fiona (2012 - _______): viewtopic.php?f=38&t=18248
K1300R La Gorda (2009 - sold): viewtopic.php?f=38&t=10735 - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11251
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby zx9rmal on Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:32 pm

Videoguy wrote:zx9rmal, the reason I asked if you had the TBs cleaned was because when they did mine there was a TON of crud in there. Very easy to see how it would mess up any kind of idle circuit, or slow speed fueling. I agree that the post cleaning SW update may have had something to do with the bike running better, but that wasn't the 14.2 update, that was done almost a month later. In between there weren't ANY stalls, or even close calls. Just throwing that out there as the 14.2 update was supposed to COMPENSATE for the buildup.


Videoguy -

You didn't get my point. There was NO post cleaning SW update, just a "reset" of the ECU. I had this reset done before the 14.2 update was released and it solved the stalling problem for a while, but then it returned. I agree that the crud certainly can't be helping, but my bike, like many others, would always idle fine, in all situations, EXCEPT when pulling the clutch while coming to a stop. For example, I could be at a stop light and whack the throttle in neutral and the engine would return to idle without a glitch. That's why I never thought the crud was THE problem.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby kerch57 on Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:17 pm

See same as mine use to be sitting whack throttle no stall slow to a stop let off throttle it would die. But it don't do it nomore and Now bucking gone im in heaven. :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby Videoguy on Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:08 am

In my case I could consistently stall the bike by running the engine at 3500rpm then chopping the throttle. After the cleaning was done the idle was fine. I too had a reset done a couple of weeks BEFORE the cleaning, but in my case it actually made the situation far worse. The two things that straightened my bike out were the cleaning and the 14.2 update. Maybe the cleaning really has no effect on the majority of the bikes as BMW will NOT do it for free any longer, but it helped me out.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby edeslaur on Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:27 pm

Seems BMW has initiated a recall of [some] 2009 and 2010 K13s due to stalling.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/recall/ ... torcycles/

Anecdotal evidence from the Beeg List (IBMWR) is that reduced gas mileage after the fix (13.2) is common. It's been my experience, going from 39-42mpg average to 36-37mpg.

I pulled an average of 35mpg on my last trip from SFO. Freakin' sucks.

I can still intermittently make the bike stall by doing 20-30, pulling in the clutch, and coasting to a stop.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby ssduc on Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:12 pm

edeslaur wrote:Seems BMW has initiated a recall of [some] 2009 and 2010 K13s due to stalling.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/recall/ ... torcycles/

Anecdotal evidence from the Beeg List (IBMWR) is that reduced gas mileage after the fix (13.2) is common. It's been my experience, going from 39-42mpg average to 36-37mpg.

I pulled an average of 35mpg on my last trip from SFO. Freakin' sucks.

I can still intermittently make the bike stall by doing 20-30, pulling in the clutch, and coasting to a stop.


13.2 is not the fix. The fix is 14.1.
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Re: 08 K1200S & K1300S Stalling Crew [fix is in]

Postby Videoguy on Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:30 pm

Could be wrong, but I thought the latest and greatest was 14.2?
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